May 29, 2019
In this member spotlightepisode, Annie and Jen are joined by Balance365 member Bethann fora light and fun conversation about her Balance365 journey, livingin the messy middle, loving the community and laughing togetherabout equally messy minivans. Tune in for a great chat!
What you’ll hear in this episode:
- Cleaning your environment of negative mediamessaging
- Thevalue of supportive community
- Scarcity and consumerism
- Wherewe learn about what it means to be a woman
- Making the shift between focusing on weightloss to postpartum recovery and wellness
- Mediamessaging around how women relate to each other
- Social constructs of women in competition witheach other
- Howour sense of self worth impacts how we treat otherwomen
- Howincreased self worth drives the ability to participate in your ownlife
- Therole of sleep and mindfulness in determining appetite and truehunger
- Trialand error in establishing habits
- Giving yourself permission to figure itout
- Calorie counting and how it relates to hungerand satiety cues
- Getting to a place where food doesn’t hold somuch power over you and what that looks like
- Discussing moderation with yourkids
Resources:
Tracking Weight, Steps, Food: When It Hurts,When It Helps
Everyday Strong
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Transcript
Annie: Welcome to Balance365 life radio, a podcast that delivers honest conversations aboutfood, fitness, weight and wellness. I'm your host Annie Brees alongwith Jennifer Campbell and Lauren Koski. We are personal trainers,nutritionists and founders of Balance365. Together we coachthousands of women each day and are on a mission to help them feelhealthy, happy, and confident in their bodies on their own terms.Join us here every week as we discuss hot topics pertaining to ourphysical, mental and emotional wellbeing with amazing guests.Enjoy.
Thank you so much for joining usfor another episode of Balance365 Life radio. We are back todaywith our mini series called Member Spotlights. This allows us tointroduce you to Balance365 community members who are just killingit inside the program so that you can take their wisdom and storiesand learn from them. They're busy women and moms just like you whoare changing their habits, their mindsets, and reaching theirgoals. Today you're going to hear from one Balance365 member whowas determined to make changes to her habits in hopes of making apositive impact on her children's lives.
Bethann is a seasoned member ofour community who came to us looking for help in healing herpostpartum body and has since stopped obsessing about food andexercise, lost 30 pounds, connected with true hunger and fullnesscues and become more comfortable with taking up space in the world.I can't wait for you to hear more about this mom of three'sexperience inside Balance365. enjoy!
Jen. We have a special guestwith us today. Are you so excited to have her on?
Jen: I am. She's like anold friend.
Annie: I know. Well, sheactually is an old friend of mine because I got to meet her backwhen I took a trip to Arizona.
Jen: Oh right! When Johnwent to Phoenix.
Annie: About eight monthsago?
Jen: You had a little meetup with all the Phoenix-
Annie: And there's was alot of them too, which was great-
Jen: girls.
Annie: Yeah. So Bethann,welcome to Balance365 Life radio. How are you?
Bethann: Good, thank you.Thanks for having me.
Annie: Oh, thanks forjoining us. I'm so excited to have you because we did get to meetin Arizona. And I think you messaged me, I posted an insta storythat was like, "I'm in Arizona" and you were like, "Can we havecoffee?"And then the next thing I know there was like eight of youand it was great. It was so fun to meet in real life, not just onthe Internet.
Bethann: I know. I was soexcited and I remember getting ready to come meet you and myhusband was like, are you going on a date? I was like, "Oh my gosh,I'm fangirling!" I was just so excited because you guys haveliterally you, the three of you have changed my life in the bestway. So I was so excited just to be able to thank you inperson.
Annie: Oh, I remember youpicking me up in your minivan. It's just likequintessential-
Jen: Mom date.
Bethann: Yes, that's a momdate. That's exactly it. The first thing you said was, "Is your vanalways this clean? Do you have children?" It's like, I do, but myhusband's very tidy so they are not allowed to eat in ourcar.
Annie: Yeah, I remember, Iwas like, "Is this new? Like did you just get thisyesterday?"
Jen: When my husband getsin my vehicle, he's like, "It smells like a barn in here." Likeyeah, Kinda.
Annie: There's probably alot of snacks in the back too If you're hungry-
Jen: Open a window.There's some French fries on the ground at your feetthere.
Annie: And if you look inthe crevices, I bet you can find some goldfish.
Jen: That's exactly whatmy vehicle is like.
Annie: Oh, Bethann'shusband is probably just having an attack right now listening tous.
Bethann: Well, he's atwork.
Annie: Oh good. So youhave been a longtime member. Do you remember when you joinedBalance365.
Bethann: I want to say itwas 2015, so that was the year my twins were born and I actuallyfound you because I had a really bad muscle separation fromcarrying my twins. And I found that out because I had a herniaafter they were born and I had a CT scan done to see how bad thatwas. And my doctor says, "Oh, and you have diastasis recti." And Iwas like, "Well, what is that?" And he talked about it a little bitand I realized I probably had that after my first son was born andnobody mentioned it. I just had that six week follow up and theysaid, you can exercise like you normally do, which I did andprobably should not have been doing some of the things I was doingand then I started searching because he basically said, don't doplanks or situps-
Jen: Right, there's not alot of instruction from the medical community on what is, like,rehab appropriate and how to scale that back into a regularexercise routine postpartum.
Bethann: Right. And thatkind of scared me because I'm like, "Well, I like to exercise." Sothen I started searching and then I found the Mama Lion Strongwebsite.
Jen: Oh, crazy. Thatdoesn't even exist anymore, that website.
Bethann: And I found alittle bit, Brianna Battle's website. And then that of course leftled me to the Healthy Habits, Happy Moms' Facebook group. So, whichgave me a lot of really great information. And then actually I hadjust done a couple of cycles of a 21 day program.
Jen: We know what you'retalking about.
Annie: We know aboutthat.
Bethann: And then as Ikind of dove further into the Healthy Habits group, I was like,"What am I doing?" I had done, like when I was younger, I'd doneWeight Watchers, you know, in college and the more I read, I wasjust like, "I'm newly postpartum. Why am I dieting? Why am Iworrying about this stuff right now?" And so the more I read, youknow, and the more I got into the healthy habits group, I just kindof just stopped doing all it, stopped doing all that stuff atnight. The first thing I did was unfollowing, I think I remember itwas a post that Jen did that said stop following these kinds oftoxic people and these toxic groups on Facebook andInstagram.
Jen: Yeah, because theybecome part of your environment, right? Because social media ispart of our environment now. Like, let's get real. The amount oftime, I think I read a study that says the average woman is on herphone five hours a day, which is crazy. But I don't really want tolook at what my phone usage is anyways. But it is part of ourenvironment. And when your social media environment is all aboutweight loss or different unkind, unempowering messages towardswomen, that becomes your reality. Right?
Annie: I would offer evena not meaning to have a negative impact on your life. There's someposts that can be really positive in nature, but for whateverreason they just don't make you feel good.
Bethann: Right.
Annie: And those should beunfollowed too. Maybe for now, forever, for temporary.
Bethann: And I was justthinking, I was like, you know, when you're already in thatpostpartum space with all the hormones and you know, you're dealingwith all those body changes. And I'm like, "This is a really goodidea. I need to just kind of back off from this stuff and get to abetter head space." And the messages in the Healthy Habits groupare really positive. And all the women were really positive for themost part. And I was like, "This is really the space I need to bein right now to get to a better place." And-
Jen: I think it's quite,it's just, it's like world shifting for a lot of people.
Bethann: It is.
Jen: It's a perspectivethat you have never been exposed to for some women.Right?
Bethann: Right.
Jen: It sounds like youshifted from thinking you can fix yourself with weight loss torealizing your body needed healing after having twins. And alsowhat women really need to fix themselves isn't weight loss. It's abetter relationship with themselves and food.
Bethann: Yeah, I think alot of women don't. And for me, just as an aside, I lost my mom at10 to cancer. So I didn't have a woman in my life that reallytaught me about what most of what I learned about being a woman isfrom magazines or, what other women or girls around me werelearning from magazines. So like all of those, like, you know, theCosmo and Young Miss and all of those kind of horrible headlines onmagazines were like the things that we're picking up. And, and Iwas like, it's not about makeup and swimsuits and diets and hairremoval and any of those products or any of that stuff they push atyou. But it took me to 2015 to get that because I didn't haveanybody in my life that was able to be like, "No, no, no, no, no.This is all marketing. This isn't how you person"-
Jen: Totally.
Bethann: "This isn't howyou become fully realized or happy with yourself." So to find agroup of women who, like, "This is a bunch of BS, there are otherthings that fulfill you, you know, or even that I've alwaysstruggled with that concept that, you know, it's women againstwomen. Like I always, whenever I had girlfriends who were like, "Idon't like that girl because of this." And I was always like, "I'mnot getting involved."
Jen: Right.
Bethann: Like, why is itlike that? Why is it, why, why is it like that? I never quiteunderstood that. And when I found Healthy Habits I was like "All ofthese women are uplifting each other and cheering each other on."It was like, these are my people. Like I was still happy. I alwayshave trouble really making connections with girlfriends becausethere would be people, like I'd always meet women like that and I'mlike, "I'm not doing this thing." So I'm moving on.
Jen: Yeah. Which isanother culturally prescribed behavior, right? That we're sort ofpitted against each other. You see it in movies, you see it, youknow, in different media that we have to compete for men. Andthere's just a big scary, you know, we have to be the thinnest. Wehave to, you know, there's just this big scarcity thing aroundbeauty and -
Bethann: Aroundeverything. I feel like scarcity is a big theme.
Jen: Well, scarcity drivesconsumerism, right. So-
Bethann: And we don't needany of that stuff, really. We don't.
Jen: Yeah. So were, youknow, and we need to, you know, I think what we're trying toachieve is getting women to expand their definition of health andhappiness.
Bethann: Yeah.
Jen: Past all thesuperficial stuff we've been sold that bring us happiness.Right?
Bethann: Right, right. AndI'm just, I'm so glad I, I'm just so happy to be here and I justfeel like so much more of a, like a fuller more well rounded,happy, fulfilled person.
Jen: Awesome. We lovethat.
Bethann: Than I didbefore. I mean, so many wonderful things have come into my lifesince.
Annie: Before we startedrecording I was just asking you some questions about this episodebecause having known you for a while I've seen some behaviorchanges or some non scale victories and even some scale victoriesthat you've celebrated inside the group. And I just kind ofblanketly said, "How has your life changed?" And you shared aboutthe diastasis recti healing and you've shared that you have lostsome weight, which was maybe a goal of yours at one time. But whatI really loved about what you said to me, you said, "I've stoppedobsessing about food and exercise and about what my kids eat, butmaybe most importantly, I found my clan that helped me find myvoice to speak up for myself and to allow myself to take up spacein this world." And I think that's like, that's just beautiful.That's really great.
Bethann: I really feellike I can, I used to not really say what I thought about things.Like I definitely had an opinion, but I didn't think my voicemattered all that much on issues. And now I'm not afraid to justsay like, "Listen, I don't care if you agree with me or not. Ithink this is important.
Annie: And I think whenyou start acting and believing out of this place of self worth andvalue just innately because you're human and that you should betreated with respect regardless of your body shape or size or howmuch you weigh or what food you eat and you're a good personbecause you're living, breathing person, it spills out toeverything in your life and it started affecting how you see peopleand how you treat people and then in turn what you expect inresponse and sometimes, like, the stuff that was cutting it yearsago isn't okay. Like I identify with the, you know, cutting down ofother women when I was really insecure and self conscious, I didthat to other women a lot because that's kind of how I talked aboutmyself. And then once I increased my self worth and my value andbecame more at peace with my body as is, that stuff just meltedaway.
Jen: So such a shift fromfocusing on the negative of what you saw on other women to focusingon the positive. And as Annie mentioned, that often comes as webuild up our own self love, we suddenly feel more loving towardsand less judgemental to people around us, which is just such awonderful headspace to be in.
Bethann: Yeah, it's justreally nice to just be able to put that positive energy out intothe world. Especially, you know, with so much negative things goingon.
Jen: Right. And you can'tput that out there if you are existing in a universe where you feelvery negative about yourself. But second to that is that you are,you are depleted, you are empty cup, you have nothing to put out inthe world when you have an empty cup. So it's just that cycle ofloving yourself, caring for yourself, and if everybody in oursociety did it, you know what that could do.
Annie: Yeah. Good peoplebring out the good in people. Right? So, Bethann, let's dive into,let's shift gears a little bit and dive into the habits that weregame changers for you in the program because I know you had acouple, do you want to share those?
Bethann: For me it was atrue hunger and goldilocks, really. I had, because I'd been in theHealthy Habits group for so long, I had, like, daily movement andneat down really well, hydration was down really well for me andbalanced meals cause I'd done the powerball challenges severaltimes before I did Balance365, but the things are really struggledwith was I felt like I didn't know when I was hungry or when I wasfull ever. And I think part of that was doing, I've done severalcycles of Weight Watchers and they were big on having, like, alwayshave a snack with you always know when your next meal is a the fiveto six small meals, you know, make sure you have your points. And Imade like doing the points you could eat, literally eat garbage,you know, within your
points range.
And I really had no idea when Iwas hungry or when I was full. I mean, I had no idea. So I reallystopped doing that. And I did, you know, I was pretty good at mealprep already and so I would just wait until I felt hungry forbreakfast and then once I did that and I was actually gettingenough protein, that was really huge. The true hunger thing wasreally huge because then I was like, I am not hungry at noon, atlunch. Right. I'm not, I'm not hungry when my kids are hungry forlunch. I'm hungry at one 30. I'm not, I don't have to eat when theyeat. And then that actually stopped the, you know, when they wantedsnacks. I don't actually like Goldfish. I would always eat snackwith them. I didn't like them. They don't taste thatgreat.
Jen: Wait amoment.
Bethann: Or like, or someof the like, I don't really like animal crackers, you know, some ofthe things that would snack on with them, "I'm like, I don't reallyenjoy that." I realized I'm not hungry and that doesn't even tastegood. So, and then after I got that down, I would actually, I kindof stopped eating breakfast and lunch with the kids and I starteddoing those two meals separate from them. So when they would like,either go down for a nap or were playing quietly, I would take mytime and eat really, really slow. And then I realized, like, Iactually can't eat all of this food, like the power bowls, like asyou know, the rest of it, the portion sizes are a little bit toobig for me and I would actually sometimes eat the, some of thelunch power bowls for the second half for dinner. I didn't realize,you know, I was like, "Oh that is way too much food forme."
I didn't realize before, butthen getting to that point and then sometimes I would notice, um,like throughout the month, kind of along with my cycle, like justbefore my cycle I would be super hungry, I could eat a wholepowerball. So it was really, those two were really taking it veryslow and listening to my body and listening to the different timesthroughout the month too cause my need would change. Sometimesthey'd be really hungry and sometimes I wouldn't. Sometimes I'dneed more, sometimes it would be less. So it really depended on, italso would depend on how much sleep I got.
Jen: Totally.
Bethann: If I got enoughsleep then I wouldn't eat as much. If I wasn't getting enoughsleep, my body would need more energy to keep me going. Especiallywith, you know, when I had like three toddlers running around,there was a lot more to do. So it was really, but it was, that wasreally, now it's easy, but at first it was really hard work becauseI really had to like slow down and sit with it for awhile andlisten.
Jen: And probably beimperfect. I think a lot of people struggle with this like, "Whatif I get this wrong?" And it's like "You are going to get it wrong.Guess what? You're going to get it wrong a lot of times before youget it right."
Bethann: I would like,stop. I'd be like, "Okay, I definitely feel full. But then 45minutes later I'd be like, I'm definitely hungry." So I would goback and eat until I felt full again and then so it was definitelykind of messy.
Jen: Yeah, it alwaysis.
Annie: That's part ofbalance that's exploring what's too much and what's too little.Like that's how you find balance. And then like you said, Bethann,sometimes it ebbs and it flows. Like you do need a little bit morefood for whatever reason or a little bit less food.
Bethann: I felt like, itwas just like I didn't stress about it. That was one of the things,like I would always go back to the material and one of the things,so I was like "Don't stress about it" or I would write down, Iwould take notes and be like, okay, well, you know, I kind of felt,like, I would think about how I felt about it and be like, I justfelt more hungry. Like I was trying to be kind of like, "Whatever."I was more hungry. It's just food, right? It's not, I have to payattention to what I needed. Not, it wasn't a want, it wasn't a, Iwasn't having an emotional response to it. I actually physicallyfelt hungry. So I really tried to go "Am I physically hungry or amI emotionally having a problem here that I need to work through?"And it was, you know, and sometimes it wasn't emotional thing. AndI was like, "I really need a nap," or I really need to just, I wantto eat this because I really am just stressed out.
Jen: And sometimes that iswhat you need and that's fine. It's all about frequency, right?Like how often some people don't have any other tools in theirtoolbox for coping with stress then to eat. And that can become abig problem if, especially if you have a very stressful life.,right?
Bethann: And I did usethose, the two questions, like what did I do well today? What did Ilearn? I actually had a reminder on my calendar, on my phone. Andso at the end of each day, I would journal that. And then I wouldsay like, "So today I learned I was feeling stressed about this.And my response to that was I either, like, coped pretty well withit by doing, you know, I meditated or I stretched or I went for, Itook the kids for a walk because I was feeling anxious and upsetabout this. Or I talked to my therapist or I did this, or I didn'thandle it as well as I would've liked and I ate a sleeve of Oreosbut then I would write after it, "That's okay." Like at the time Idid something, like, I would prefer I didn't do, I always remindedmyself that it was okay. Because it was just one response in thewhole of the journey. It was that day's response. It wasn't like Idid it for a year. I did it that one situation. That's what I loveabout the Balance365 thing. Right. it's you doing it right. It's,you working through it. It's not prescribed. There's not meals,there's not points. There's not rules.
Jen: It's not a pass orfail program.
Bethann: Right..
Jen: It's a journey ofself exploration and you can't fail at learning what works foryou.
Bethann: Exactly. Sothere's no, you're not going to get slapped on the wrist. Right. SoI would write that saying "It's okay" was me saying you havepermission to figure it out. So that was a big thing for me. Likeyou have permission to do what you need to do to figure it out. Andso now I'm at the point where I can have a package of Oreos and Iremember posting, like "I've had this package of Oreos in my pantrywith like an Arrow to where it was and I forgot about it for threemonths."
Jen: Yeah. Like, how doesthat happen?
Bethann: Unopened forthree months. And they're my, like, I am not a big store boughtcookie person, but those were my favorite store bought cookies andI forgot I put them in my pantry. I bought them for me and I forgotabout them. And I was like, "How did I get to that point?" Becausethey were kind of like my stress cookie.
Jen: Well, you're notpreoccupied with them any more and food preoccupations come fromrestricting and dieting. And when people approach changing theirnutrition, they immediately go to, "Okay, what are all the badfoods I'm eating? What do I have to cut out? What do I not havecontrol around?" But I guess what we have to understand is thatit's actually the restricting that is causing those preoccupationsand in order to fix this issue, you can't fix it at stopping andrestricting. You have to address, you have to stop restricting thatis the answer, which is very scary for some people.
Bethann: Yeah. I mean, nowI can keep all sorts of things in the house where I'm just like,"Yep, we've got that in the pantry and I don't reallycare."
Jen: And it's just food.It's always going to be there. It's not, it doesn't have any powerover you Yeah, totally. It's a great place to be. I wanted tocircle back a bit to calories because you talked about being apoint counter and all of that and we have a podcast on caloriecounting in which Lauren does a good deep dive into the sciencebehind calorie counting. I think we talk about when it hurts, whenit helps, but one of the main issues is if anyone listening has anextensive history of counting calories or points or you know,whatever it is, one of the drawbacks of that is that it candisconnect you from your hunger and satiety cues. And our hungerand satiety cues are, honestly, our best calorie counters. And ifyou want to punch into a machine and get a rough estimate of whatyour daily energy expenditure is, that's fine.
That can, but it is just anestimate because as you mentioned, our caloric needs change on adaily basis. If I go for a long run, one day, my caloric needs aredifferent than the days when I'm sitting at my desk working most ofthe days, most of the day, if I am pmsing my body actually needs 90to 300 calories extra those days than it does when I'm notpremenstrual. And so when you're disconnected from your hunger andsatiety, and when you aren't honoring your hunger and satiety, thenyou're going to be fighting with it. And it's always going to bethis wrestle with your body of "Wow, you know, I feel hungry or I'mhaving these cravings, but I couldn't possibly, I'm at my pointlevel for the day. " And as we know and have discussed in thispodcast that wrestling with your body being at war with your body,you just never win it. I don't know really anyone who's winningthat. Right, it inevitably leads to a binge and bad feelings andthat cycle that almost every woman is stuck in.
Bethann: I think Iremember getting my points range for Weight Watchers and then likeanytime I would go over I just felt bad about myself.
Annie: So Bethann, Ithink, your experience with hunger and Goldilocks is, or I know, Idon't think, I know is something that is been life changing for alot of women in the program, myself included. It was such a gamechanger habit. And, what would you say are, in addition to thehunger and Goldilocks habits and all the other habits that youmentioned, what would you say, what's been the outcome so far ofyour effort into the program?
Bethann: So, I'vedefinitely, like, my body composition has changed, and I have lostweight but that, like I said, it wasn't my main focus because Ifeel like I gained a lot more self confidence and self love andvalue. But also just for my family, for my boys, I don't reallyworry about what they eat. I notice too, even like when we go tothe donut shop and they'll pick out donuts, they don't eat thewhole donut, they eat what they want and then they push it away,which to me really says something like they, that's a sweet treat.And that's not something, we don't get donuts every single day. Buteven then, you know, I know a lot of adults would be like "Donuts!"And they eat the whole thing.
Jen: And some kids, oncethey get to a certain age, right? Like this is a skill we all kindof innately have. These are cues. Like when we have to go to thebathroom, we go to the bathroom. When we're tired, we go to sleep,our hunger and satiety are cues that we have and the thing isadults take that away from kids, right? By trying to control andrestrict and tell them "This is good and this is bad" and if wedidn't take that away from them then we'd probably all be okaytoday, but we're not.
Bethann: Yeah. And thatwas another thing that he said, he came back and he said, "Sugar isbad," and I said, "Sugar is not bad. Sugar is in everything." Hesaid, "Well, what do you mean?" I said, "Well, this apple you'reeating has sugar, that orange has sugar, the potatoes have sugar,the bread has sugar." I said, "Sugar is not bad. It's ineverything." I said, "It's not the only thing you want to eat. Wewant to eat some of everything." I said, "It's just part of, it'sjust food. Everything is just food." So you can't, no, you can'tjust survive on donuts, but you also can't just survive on carrots.We can't survive on ham. So-
Annie: There's thatbalance and moderation coming back again.
Bethann: So, you know, I,so I just have to, I kind of feel like, I'm like, okay, "Yep,that's what they said in school. But remember, you know, it's aboutwhat your body needs. If you ate just donuts all day you wouldn'tfeel very good, but if you ate just carrots, you wouldn't feel verygood either. It's like, yeah, I know that. So, you know, I justkind of go back to it and it's the same with exercise I said, youknow, "You can't run all day. You need to go to bed too or you needto sit and rest or you need to stretch. I mean, you can't just dothat." And I exercise in front of the kids. My parents never everexercised at all. So I was not an athletic kid in the least. An Idid not, I did not do team sports in school, anything like that. Ittook me a really long time to find movement I liked. Arms LikeAnnie really helped me. I really.
Jen: I'm on week 20myself, actually, on Arms Like Annie program.
Bethann: I'm doingEveryday Strong right now because I finished Arms like Annie, soI'm doing Everyday Strong then I'm going to go back to Arms LikeAnnie, but I really like weight lifting and I really like feelingstrong. So I do it with the boys. They really love the inchwormsand mountain climbers. The four year olds, the twins are like, "Isit an inch worm and Mountain Climber Day?" And they're down on thefloor and it's really, really cute. But I love that they go, "Mom,is it time to exercise? Where's your workbook?" Because I printedit out. So then, "Where's the workbook? Let's do the timer for the30 seconds. Are we dancing? Are we doing jumping jacks?" Like theyknow the workout and they're asking which day we're doing, "Do weneed the resistance band or do you need your dumbbell?" And theyknow all of the workouts. And then even sometimes we do the videoson Youtube, we'll put it on the TV and, and they go, "Oh, is thatAnnie or is that Jen?" They know everybody and it's really greatbecause they will come out and they'll come, they'll, you know, doeverything with everyone.
Annie: And, well, I evenremember when I was in Arizona, I think I ended up like sending youlike a FaceTime. Did we facetime?
Bethann: He's like, "Will,Annie say hi to me?
Annie: Like we're realhumans.
Jen: That'sadorable.
Bethann: I know, like, youguys are celebrities to my kids so, they're in the living room.They were like, "Are you talking to Annie and Jen?" "Yes. Rightnow." Oh my gosh, they're so excited.
Annie: Maybe we need tobranch out and do a kids exercise programs.
Jen: Yeah, we can getourselves a Sunday morning special.
Bethann: But they couldkeep up with the adult stuff you do. I mean, they're like, "Are wedoing the Sweaty Betty today?"
Annie: Oh, I loveit.
Jen: Oh that's socute!
Bethann: You know, all ofit. What I like is that I can do it in the living room with thekids.
Annie: Yes. Well, Bethann,thank you so much for your time.
Jen: Yes, thankyou.
Annie: I appreciate it.This is so good chatting with you, and I know you're going toinspire a lot of our community members to make changes for theirkids and for themselves along the way, because yes, let's end thosepredatory companies.
Bethann: Yes. Thanks somuch for having me. You guys have really just, you make the world abetter place. Thank you so much.
Annie: Thank you for beinga part of it.
Jen: Thank you.
Annie: Okay. We'll chatsoon.
Bethann: Okay.
Annie: Okay, thankyou
Bethann: Bye.
Jen: Bye.
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